we actually spend, government spends more per citizen on the average american than the french government does in the average frenchman. lou: i think you're being unfair to americans. we think of quebec, but certainly not all of canada, and more of our refuge. reach extreme. >> they're building a maple curtain. you better get there soon. lou: as we look at what is happening, bill archer is talking about $86 trillion in unfunded liabilities as we cannot manage even the 16 trillion in debt or consecutive years of italian dollar eficits, brought to us by george w. bush, and all fairness. >> well, i think the point here is that when people make comparisons, comparisons are relevant because you can run the numbers and say in terms of gdp -- relation to gdp or never, we are not quite as bad as greece or portugal or never, but they are just talking about a few ring keating billions. a trillion word is really unique to the united states. and i think that is what is going to kill us, the absolute numbers. germany can afford to bailout greece. nobody can afford to bailout the united states, and i w